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The FreeBSD Developer Summit was sponsored by + DARPA, NAI Labs, and Vicor. Notes were taken by Bruce Mah and were + edited by Murray Stokely.</p> + +<p>Meeting began at 10:00am, ended at 5:00pm.</p> + +<h2>Agenda</h2> +<ul> + <li><a href="#intro">Introduction / Summary of FreeBSD BoF / Growth + of Project</a></li> + <li><a href="#re4">Release Engineering, RELENG_4</a></li> + <li><a href="#re5">Release Engineering, HEAD</a></li> +</ul> + +<h2>Attending:</h2> + +<p>In person:</p> + +<ul> + <li>Doug Barton</li> + <li>David O'Brien</li> + <li>Matthew Dillon</li> + <li>Julian Elischer</li> + <li>Poul-Henning Kamp</li> + <li>Greg Lehey</li> + <li>Scott Long</li> + <li>Warner Losh</li> + <li>Bruce Mah</li> + <li>Jun Kuriyama</li> + <li>Jonathon Mini</li> + <li>Masafumi Nakane</li> + <li>Jeff Roberson</li> + <li>Hiroki Sato</li> + <li>Gregory Shapiro</li> + <li>Murray Stokely</li> + <li>Jacques Vidrine</li> + <li>Robert Watson</li> +</ul> + +<p>On The Phone:</p> + +<p>The meeting followed a format where each section was led by an + individual and then a discussion ensued.</p> + +<div class="topic"> +<hr/> +<h2>Opening Remarks - Robert Watson</h2> + +<p>Welcome to the fifth FreeBSD Developer Summit at BSDCon 2003. + This event is sponsored by:</p> + +<ul> + <li><span class="sponsor">Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency + (DARPA)</span></li> + <li><span class="sponsor">NAI Labs, the Security Research Division of + Network Associates</span></li> + <li><span class="sponsor">Vicor</span></li> +</ul> + +<p>The sponsors covered the cost of the room, food, telephone access, + etc.</p> + +<h3>Growth of the Project (from BoF)</h3> + +<p>Positive Netcraft numbers</p> + +<p>HEAD activity maintained even when <tt>RELENG_3</tt> came out.</p> + +<p>As soon as <tt>RELENG_4</tt> came out, <tt>RELENG_3</tt> activity +dropped dramatically.</p> + +<p>Large spike in commits just before +<tt>RELENG_5_0_0_RELEASE</tt>.</p> + +<p>About half the number of committers are working on RELENG_4 +compared to the HEAD. Implies that most commits to RELENG_4 really do +go through HEAD first.</p> + +<p>Slightly less than half of commits go into <tt>sys/</tt></p> + +<p>Perforce submission rates are about half that of rate in the main +<tt>src/</tt> CVS branch.</p> + +<p>"RaidFrame fell victim to a disk error." --scottl</p> + +<p><em>(Tentative schedule reviewed)</em></p> + + +<div class="topic"> +<hr/> +<a name="re4"></a> +<h2>Release Engineering, RELENG_4 - Murray Stokely</h2> + +<p>Complaints about PAE stability. Definitely need to tweak 4.9 +schedule. Need to get people access to hardware to check stability +under high load. Really need stability for non-PAE case.</p> + +<p>Seems like a 2-week delay. sam is holding changes for MFC, waiting +for things to settle down. dg wants the PAE stuff ripped out. phk +thinks we're going to delay more like 6 weeks before we have +confidence in this.</p> + +<h3>Discussion</h3> + +<div class="discussion"> + +<p><strong class="speaker">PHK</strong> : Could we put this in P4?</p> + +<p><strong class="speaker">IMP</strong> : Problem is that non-PAE +users (who are having problems) won't have motivation to use it if +it's not in CVS.</p> + +<p><strong class="speaker">rwatson</strong> : What's minimalist +backout patch? We need to get more info. Are PAE developers going to +have time to work on this? If not, we have to kick it out.</p> + +<p>Two-week timeline to get more information for fixing it. Need to +be able to reproduce it in a developer environment...need information +on workload.</p> + +<p><strong class="speaker">peter</strong> : Things that he and ps +would run into this problem pretty quickly. (Want to get silby in +touch with him.)</p> + +<p> +"I'll just tell Paul that the next snapshot he makes has an unknown +bug causing instability and he'll just go crazy trying to fix it." +--peter.</p> + +</div> +</div> + +<div class="topic"> +<hr/> +<a name="re5"></a> +<h2>Release Engineering, HEAD - Scott Long</h2> + +<p>"Somebody get him some tissues so he can cry without shorting out his +laptop." --peter.</p> + +<p><strong class="speaker">scottl</strong> : amd64 ia64 sparc64 +support.</p> + +<h3>Discussion</h3> + +<div class="discussion"> + +<p><strong class="speaker">marcel</strong> : New uart(4) driver +supports serial console on the HP boxes in the cluster. HP boxes with +no ISA bus emulation now supported from CVS. Should now be able to +release for all ia64 boxes from CVS.</p> + +<p><strong class="speaker">imp</strong> : uart(4) driver encapsulates +lots of different UART chips. puc(4) driver is for aggregating many +things at one attachment point.</p> + +<p>Could we replace sio(4) with uart(4)? sio(4) is more about +squeezing out performance, uart(4) is more about flexibility. Low-end +performance would suck, but that's probably not the target platform +for 6.0.</p> + +<p>phk wants minimum hardware specs for releases. grog says that the +people in this room are not typical users. Much debate about this. +rwatson: Defer this for 6.0 session.</p> + +<p>5.X efforts need to concentrate on stability and performance.</p> + +<p><strong class="speaker">imp</strong> : Need to tie up loose ends in +supported hardware, etc.</p> +</div> +</div> +</div> + + </body> +</html> |