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+<!ENTITY email 'hackers'>
+<!ENTITY title "BSDCon 2003 FreeBSD Developer Summit">
+]>
+
+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
+<head>
+ <title>&title;</title>
+
+ <cvs:keyword xmlns:cvs="http://www.FreeBSD.org/XML/CVS">$FreeBSD$</cvs:keyword>
+ </head>
+
+ <body class="navinclude.about">
+
+<p>The fifth FreeBSD Developer Summit was held on September 13, 2003, at
+ Vicor's offices in Richmond, CA, immediately following BSDCon 2003
+ in San Mateo, CA. The FreeBSD Developer Summit was sponsored by
+ DARPA, NAI Labs, and Vicor. Notes were taken by Bruce Mah and were
+ edited by Murray Stokely.</p>
+
+<p>Meeting began at 10:00am, ended at 5:00pm.</p>
+
+<h2>Agenda</h2>
+<ul>
+ <li><a href="#intro">Introduction / Summary of FreeBSD BoF / Growth
+ of Project</a></li>
+ <li><a href="#re4">Release Engineering, RELENG_4</a></li>
+ <li><a href="#re5">Release Engineering, HEAD</a></li>
+</ul>
+
+<h2>Attending:</h2>
+
+<p>In person:</p>
+
+<ul>
+ <li>Doug Barton</li>
+ <li>David O'Brien</li>
+ <li>Matthew Dillon</li>
+ <li>Julian Elischer</li>
+ <li>Poul-Henning Kamp</li>
+ <li>Greg Lehey</li>
+ <li>Scott Long</li>
+ <li>Warner Losh</li>
+ <li>Bruce Mah</li>
+ <li>Jun Kuriyama</li>
+ <li>Jonathon Mini</li>
+ <li>Masafumi Nakane</li>
+ <li>Jeff Roberson</li>
+ <li>Hiroki Sato</li>
+ <li>Gregory Shapiro</li>
+ <li>Murray Stokely</li>
+ <li>Jacques Vidrine</li>
+ <li>Robert Watson</li>
+</ul>
+
+<p>On The Phone:</p>
+
+<p>The meeting followed a format where each section was led by an
+ individual and then a discussion ensued.</p>
+
+<div class="topic">
+<hr/>
+<h2>Opening Remarks - Robert Watson</h2>
+
+<p>Welcome to the fifth FreeBSD Developer Summit at BSDCon 2003.
+ This event is sponsored by:</p>
+
+<ul>
+ <li><span class="sponsor">Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
+ (DARPA)</span></li>
+ <li><span class="sponsor">NAI Labs, the Security Research Division of
+ Network Associates</span></li>
+ <li><span class="sponsor">Vicor</span></li>
+</ul>
+
+<p>The sponsors covered the cost of the room, food, telephone access,
+ etc.</p>
+
+<h3>Growth of the Project (from BoF)</h3>
+
+<p>Positive Netcraft numbers</p>
+
+<p>HEAD activity maintained even when <tt>RELENG_3</tt> came out.</p>
+
+<p>As soon as <tt>RELENG_4</tt> came out, <tt>RELENG_3</tt> activity
+dropped dramatically.</p>
+
+<p>Large spike in commits just before
+<tt>RELENG_5_0_0_RELEASE</tt>.</p>
+
+<p>About half the number of committers are working on RELENG_4
+compared to the HEAD. Implies that most commits to RELENG_4 really do
+go through HEAD first.</p>
+
+<p>Slightly less than half of commits go into <tt>sys/</tt></p>
+
+<p>Perforce submission rates are about half that of rate in the main
+<tt>src/</tt> CVS branch.</p>
+
+<p>"RaidFrame fell victim to a disk error." --scottl</p>
+
+<p><em>(Tentative schedule reviewed)</em></p>
+
+
+<div class="topic">
+<hr/>
+<a name="re4"></a>
+<h2>Release Engineering, RELENG_4 - Murray Stokely</h2>
+
+<p>Complaints about PAE stability. Definitely need to tweak 4.9
+schedule. Need to get people access to hardware to check stability
+under high load. Really need stability for non-PAE case.</p>
+
+<p>Seems like a 2-week delay. sam is holding changes for MFC, waiting
+for things to settle down. dg wants the PAE stuff ripped out. phk
+thinks we're going to delay more like 6 weeks before we have
+confidence in this.</p>
+
+<h3>Discussion</h3>
+
+<div class="discussion">
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">PHK</strong> : Could we put this in P4?</p>
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">IMP</strong> : Problem is that non-PAE
+users (who are having problems) won't have motivation to use it if
+it's not in CVS.</p>
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">rwatson</strong> : What's minimalist
+backout patch? We need to get more info. Are PAE developers going to
+have time to work on this? If not, we have to kick it out.</p>
+
+<p>Two-week timeline to get more information for fixing it. Need to
+be able to reproduce it in a developer environment...need information
+on workload.</p>
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">peter</strong> : Things that he and ps
+would run into this problem pretty quickly. (Want to get silby in
+touch with him.)</p>
+
+<p>
+"I'll just tell Paul that the next snapshot he makes has an unknown
+bug causing instability and he'll just go crazy trying to fix it."
+--peter.</p>
+
+</div>
+</div>
+
+<div class="topic">
+<hr/>
+<a name="re5"></a>
+<h2>Release Engineering, HEAD - Scott Long</h2>
+
+<p>"Somebody get him some tissues so he can cry without shorting out his
+laptop." --peter.</p>
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">scottl</strong> : amd64 ia64 sparc64
+support.</p>
+
+<h3>Discussion</h3>
+
+<div class="discussion">
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">marcel</strong> : New uart(4) driver
+supports serial console on the HP boxes in the cluster. HP boxes with
+no ISA bus emulation now supported from CVS. Should now be able to
+release for all ia64 boxes from CVS.</p>
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">imp</strong> : uart(4) driver encapsulates
+lots of different UART chips. puc(4) driver is for aggregating many
+things at one attachment point.</p>
+
+<p>Could we replace sio(4) with uart(4)? sio(4) is more about
+squeezing out performance, uart(4) is more about flexibility. Low-end
+performance would suck, but that's probably not the target platform
+for 6.0.</p>
+
+<p>phk wants minimum hardware specs for releases. grog says that the
+people in this room are not typical users. Much debate about this.
+rwatson: Defer this for 6.0 session.</p>
+
+<p>5.X efforts need to concentrate on stability and performance.</p>
+
+<p><strong class="speaker">imp</strong> : Need to tie up loose ends in
+supported hardware, etc.</p>
+</div>
+</div>
+</div>
+
+ </body>
+</html>